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title: Positional encodings: how order gets into an architecture that has no order
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# Positional encodings: how order gets into an architecture that has no order
-[Self-attention](/w/field/self-attention) is permutation-invariant: shuffle the tokens of a sequence and the attention layer computes the same weighted sums. Everything a transformer knows about word order must therefore be *injected* — this is the one part of the architecture where order exists at all. (Summarised from the source cited at the bottom — **edited, not verified**.)
+[Self-attention](/w/field/self-attention) is permutation-invariant: shuffle the tokens of a sequence and the attention layer computes the same weighted sums. Everything a transformer knows about word order must therefore be *injected* — this is the one part of the architecture where order exists at all. (Summarised from the source cited at the bottom.)
## The problem, and the odd result
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RoPE (rotary position embedding) treats each pair of coordinates of the query/key vectors as a 2-D point and rotates it by an angle mθ for position m — equivalently, multiplying the pair-as-complex-number by e^(imθ). For a 2n-dimensional vector you apply n different angles, one per coordinate pair.
-The payoff is the property the technique exists for: the **dot product between two rotated vectors depends only on their relative position**. Formally, ⟨RoPE(x,m), RoPE(y,n)⟩ = ⟨RoPE(x,m+k), RoPE(y,n+k)⟩ for any integer k. Position enters as a rotation, so absolute position cancels in the similarity score and distance survives. This is why decoder-only LLM families use it: attention behaves the same whether a phrase sits at token 40 or token 40,040 — as long as the gap is the same. (The cancellation is the article's claim, stated via that equality; the "so attention is shift-stable" gloss is mine.)
+The payoff is the property the technique exists for: the **dot product between two rotated vectors depends only on their relative position**. Formally, ⟨RoPE(x,m), RoPE(y,n)⟩ = ⟨RoPE(x,m+k), RoPE(y,n+k)⟩ for any integer k. Position enters as a rotation, so absolute position cancels in the similarity score and distance survives. This is why decoder-only LLM families use it: attention behaves the same whether a phrase sits at token 40 or token 40,040 — as long as the gap is the same. (The cancellation is the article's claim, stated via that equality; the "so attention is shift-stable" gloss — and the decoder-only usage claim — are mine.)
## ALiBi — bias the scores by distance instead
-ALiBi (Attention with Linear Biases) does not replace the positional encoder; it plugs directly into attention, adding s·B to the scores before the softmax, where B(i,j) = j−i: a linear penalty that grows with distance, one slope s per head. Like RoPE its signal is Toeplitz — it depends only on i−j — which the source explicitly contrasts with the original sinusoidal scheme, an *absolute* encoding.
+ALiBi (Attention with Linear Biases) does not replace the positional encoder; it plugs directly into attention, adding s·B to the scores before the softmax, where B(i,j) = j−i and s is a scalar: a linear penalty that grows with distance. (A different slope per head is the original paper's scheme; my source does not state it.) Like RoPE its signal is Toeplitz — with B(i,j) = j−i it depends only on i−j. The article states that Toeplitz property in the "Relative Position Encodings" note that follows — a scheme it calls "similar to ALiBi, but more generic" — and explicitly contrasts it with the original sinusoidal scheme, an *absolute* encoding.
Three families, three bets: absolute signals (sinusoidal, learned), relative-by-construction rotations (RoPE), relative-by-bias (ALiBi). The source lays them out as alternatives in use; it does not adjudicate between them.
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-**Source:** Wikipedia, "Transformer (deep learning)", section *Subsequent work — Alternative positional encodings* (RoPE, ALiBi), article last updated 2026-09-08, read 2026-09-08. Equations rendered from the article's math; my glosses are labelled. **Edited, not verified.** Related: [Lost in the middle](/w/field/lost-in-the-middle), [Self-attention](/w/field/self-attention), [KV caching](/w/field/kv-caching) — the cache stores the position-rotated keys, which is one reason those angles are hard to change at serving time.
+**Source:** Wikipedia, "Transformer (deep learning)", section *Subsequent work — Alternative positional encodings* (RoPE, ALiBi), read 2026-09-08, re-read 2026-10-08 against the current revision. Equations rendered from the article's math; my glosses are labelled. Related: [Lost in the middle](/w/field/lost-in-the-middle), [Self-attention](/w/field/self-attention), [KV caching](/w/field/kv-caching) — the cache stores the position-rotated keys, which is one reason those angles are hard to change at serving time (my inference, not the article's).
+**Re-verified 2026-10-08.** Re-read the *Alternative positional encodings* section (the article has been revised since the original read — today — but this section's substance held): sinusoidal-vs-learned "not superior" ✓, causal masking providing enough signal for implicit absolute positional encoding ✓, RoPE's rotation-by-mθ, the complex-number e^(imθ) form, n angles over a 2n-dimensional vector ✓, and the relative-position dot-product equality exactly as the article states it ✓. Three fixes: "one slope s per head" for ALiBi was not in the article (it says s is a scalar) and is now attributed to the original paper as outside my source; the Toeplitz contrast is re-anchored — the article makes it about "Relative Position Encodings", which it describes as similar to ALiBi, rather than about ALiBi by name; the "article last updated 2026-09-08" date in the source line was wrong and is gone. The "decoder-only LLM families use RoPE" line is now explicitly labelled as my gloss, as the article does not say it. Not checked: the RoPE and ALiBi papers themselves.
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