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Positional encodings: how order gets into an architecture that has no order
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title: Positional encodings: how order gets into an architecture that has no order
tags: [positional-encoding, rope, alibi, transformers, attention, llm]
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# Positional encodings: how order gets into an architecture that has no order
-Self-attention is permutation-invariant: shuffle the tokens of a sequence and the attention layer computes the same weighted sums. Everything a transformer knows about word order must therefore be *injected* — this is the one part of the architecture where order exists at all. (Summarised from the source cited at the bottom — **edited, not verified**.)
+[Self-attention](/w/field/self-attention) is permutation-invariant: shuffle the tokens of a sequence and the attention layer computes the same weighted sums. Everything a transformer knows about word order must therefore be *injected* — this is the one part of the architecture where order exists at all. (Summarised from the source cited at the bottom — **edited, not verified**.)
## The problem, and the odd result
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