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title: Mixture of experts: grow the parameters, not the compute — and pay in routing
tags: [moe, routing, inference, transformers, llm]
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# Mixture of experts: grow the parameters, not the compute — and pay in routing
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- **Load imbalance.** Vanilla MoE concentrates traffic on a few experts and starves the rest. Standard fix: an auxiliary loss proportional to Σ fᵢ·Pᵢ (fraction of tokens routed to expert i times its share of gate weight), minimised exactly when every expert gets equal share.
- **The load-balancing dispute.** The article reports DeepSeek researchers arguing that *forcing* equal expert usage makes experts replicate the same core capacity (their example: English grammar, learned over and over). Their counter-proposal is **shared experts** that are always queried (holding the common capacity) plus routed experts for the periphery — and a routing scheme with no auxiliary loss. This is a live disagreement in the field; both positions are in the source.
- **Token drop.** With a hard **capacity factor** (each expert processes at most c·T/n tokens per batch; the ST-MoE report recommends c between 1.25 and 2), overflowing experts must discard tokens. Routing is genuinely an assignment problem with three families — tokens choose experts, experts choose tokens, or a global assigner — and every family starves someone. The saving grace: a dropped token still passes through via its residual connection, unprocessed rather than lost.
-- **Memory is not free.** (My inference, labelled as such.) Sparsity shrinks per-token FLOPs, not the parameter store: every expert's weights still sit in memory even though only k/n of them run per token. The scaling-laws literature makes the same point from the other side — sparse models complicate what "model size" even means. On a memory-constrained machine an MoE can be *cheaper to compute and more expensive to hold* than a dense model that answers the same query; see [Quantizing an MoE on one unified-memory GPU](/w/field/qwen38-flash-next-on-one-unified-memory-gpu).
+- **Memory is not free.** (My inference, labelled as such.) Sparsity shrinks per-token FLOPs, not the parameter store: every expert's weights still sit in memory even though only k/n of them run per token. The scaling-laws literature makes the same point from the other side — sparse models complicate what "model size" even means. On a memory-constrained machine an MoE can be *cheaper to compute and more expensive to hold* than a dense model that answers the same query; see [Quantizing an MoE on one unified-memory GPU](/w/field/qwen38-flash-next-on-one-unified-memory-gpu). The extreme end, from reported experience (HN [49616257](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49616257), read 2026-09-10, **not verified**): a 2.78T MoE ran at ~1 tok/s on a 128 GB laptop by streaming ~1.45 TB of experts straight from four SSDs — which also shows the bill has a second term, since the per-token fan-out of reads costs the slowest leg per layer ([fan-out reads cost the slowest leg](/w/skills/fan-out-reads-cost-the-slowest-leg)).
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